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#1 User is offline   Kimmie 

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 03:20 PM

I bought my laptop about two years ago and it came with Vista, however, I HATE Vista and I think I have given it enough time. Well, I would like to have XP on this computer and I'm wondering if it's hard to do or if it's even possible? :nowhat:

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 03:22 PM

I forgot to add that I have a Sony Vaio laptop. VGN-N320E. I guess that's the model #.

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 03:44 PM

I would think you could do it if you had the XP disk. I let the experts guide you however. If you are going to change you might want to have a look at Windows7 as well. Again I let the experts advise you.

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 03:45 PM

Yes, it is possible but Nett is a good one to ask about this. She has actually had a lot of trouble after she did that. Personally I would move on up to windows 7.
What is it you are having a problem with? Maybe we can help on that. I had vista before going to 7 and liked it.


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Posted 24 February 2010 - 05:53 PM

Not meaning to jump in but just want to say that I liked Vista too and had no problems with it. hugs, Rose

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 07:08 PM

Kimmie, I hate to have to tell you that...but the reason you have problems with Vista is not Vista as such, but your laptop. Since you gave us the model number - thanks, that helps a lot! - I was able to check out it's specs and came to this conclusion:

Typically for Sony [ and Dell (although Dell is trying to do better now)], they don't give you lots of 'power' for your money, and, I assume that it was an 'earlier' Vista, no matter when you purchased it. Originally all computer manufacturers thought nothing of equipping 'older' computers with Vista when XP was 'officially' retired as the pre-installed Windows OS. The result was not good, to say the least, as Vista gobbled up memory, processor speed, bus-speed and graphics just running the OS, never mind programs that require a bit more than just creating a text-file.

The Sony you have - unless you had it upgraded - has only 1 gig of memory, with Vista needing about 2 gigs; along with it, the graphics card is by now 4 plus years old and not 'made' to run Vista's graphics requirements; the processor was so-so OK three plus years ago, but, again, not made with Vista in mind.

Truly and honestly, this particular laptop would have been much 'happier' if it had XP installed rather than Vista, which is not a pro or con as to XP and Vista, but rather a compatibility factor. It is not your fault, Kimmie, it is 'their' fault - Sony's and others, who blindly outfitted computers with Vista in order to 'get rid' of their quickly outdated parts.

Having said all of that, Kimmie, I am afraid I don't have the 'right' answer for your dilemma. If it were a desktop, it would not be difficult to install XP onto a separate internal hard drive, which would then allow you to dual-boot.
As Birdie mentioned, downgrading the OS in the main hard drive, or in the case of this laptop the only hard drive, of a brand-name computer can result in a very unstable system, if one is able to get it run in the first place.

You could, in theory, ask Sony as to their opinion or confer with a local computer-tech, but before you decide to do this let me give you two things to consider:
1) In case Sony and/or a tech may say it is possible to downgrade it to XP, will not guarantee a positive outcome...ask Nett, she had a 'tech' change hers.
2) It could run into quite a bit of money, money that would be better spend saving up for a new computer pre-installed with Windows 7, an OS that has proven itself to run very nicely with correctly specked out laptops and desktop, which most of them are by now.

Please keep us posted as to your next steps. Should you decide to sell that laptop and purchase a new one, we would be more than happy to help you find one that would work with PSP and Animation Shop without a problem. :)


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Posted 24 February 2010 - 07:24 PM

I'll never again remove an operating system and install another in it's place......messes with your bios......
I'd just upgade it to W7 if possible.......


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Posted 24 February 2010 - 11:02 PM

Thanks everyone especially you Daniela. The computer runs fine but I guess it's just me not knowing where things are in Vista and I'm just used to XP. It was on my first computer and it's what I learned on. It's just a "me thing". Vista and I just never have gotten along.

Also, I'm having a problem with this laptop not wanting to burn a disk. I try to burn music on it and it goes through all the motions but when I reinsert the CD it shows it's a blank disk. My HP desktop will burn and when I put a CD I burnt from that computer in the laptop it wont even play those back. BUT, it will play DVDs and regular "store bought" Cd's. Anyone have any ideas as to why this laptop is not burning and playing back burnt Cd's from my HP? I've tried to Google it but I haven't gotten any answers that I could understand. :nowhat:


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Posted 24 February 2010 - 11:54 PM

Kimmie, how about having someone help you a bit on the Vista in what you are having trouble with? That can be done easily on a remote assistance.

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Posted 25 February 2010 - 09:59 AM

Yes, ditto to what Birdie said. If you get in touch with me - via PM is fine - we can set up a time and a way to do an RA using a simple little program to connect us, and maybe I can show you around Vista just a bit. Aside from the laptop not being made for Vista, no matter what, this is unfortunately true, it could easily be that Vista was never set up quite right to your specifications. I would not mind trying to do just that if you give me a chance. :)

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Posted 25 February 2010 - 03:25 PM

I'm not having trouble per say. It's just not being able to use Vista like I did XP. Things seem hard to find for me. And when I do find what I'm looking for it took me forever to find it. I just get VERY frustrated with it that's all, but, it's a learning experience and I have to move up and on. I will live with it. I guess I have to as it seems too risky to try to change anything. Believe me, my next computer WONT have Vista!

Thanks for the offer of the RA. I'll just muddle through with it a little longer and when I can't stand it anymore I'll see if one of you will do that for me. :wink:

BTW.... does anyone have any ideas as to why my CD's don't want to play and burn on this laptop? I explained what's happening above. Any help would be great.


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Posted 25 February 2010 - 06:35 PM

View PostKimmie, on 25 February 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

I'm not having trouble per say. It's just not being able to use Vista like I did XP. Could you please specify what exactly it is that you feel is not working as it 'should' ? Basically, whatever you can do in XP, you can do in Vista - and more, actually. It is just hindered by the specs which are not up to VISTA par. They would be fine for XP, just because XP requires less memory, less graphics card 'power', and so on. Otherwise - a few visuals are different, a few options added, but as to functions - those should not be a problem. Which is why it would help if you could list those that you perceive as not working correctly.

Things seem hard to find for me. And when I do find what I'm looking for it took me forever to find it. Again, if you could specify the 'things' you are looking for , maybe we could give you a suggestion or two to make it easier on you.

I just get VERY frustrated with it that's all, but, it's a learning experience and I have to move up and on. I will live with it. You should not have to be that frustrated, really. There are ways to set up Vista comfortably. If you don't want us doing an RA right now, then please post details or maybe even a screen shot? That would be great.

I guess I have to as it seems too risky to try to change anything. Believe me, my next computer WONT have Vista! Right, your next computer will NOT have Vista. Only a few new computers are right now still being sold with Vista pre-installed, leftovers from 'before', but all come with a free upgrade to Windows7. Now, Windows7 is certainly a re-vamped Vista, with, again, a few visual changes, not too many more changes as to where to find what, though, but it works so much better and easier than Vista does. Windows7 is known to be what Vista was supposed to have been.
So, for right now and a good while to come all new computers will have Windows7 installed. At some point in time it will move up to Windows8 and so forth. You can never go back to XP again with a new computer and, truly, that is the way it has to be in order for 'todays' computers to be able to run the current hardware technology and keep your system as safe as possible.

Thanks for the offer of the RA. I'll just muddle through with it a little longer and when I can't stand it anymore I'll see if one of you will do that for me. http://www.computerfunforum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif Just let us know if and when you are ready for RA - certainly totally your choice. Just be aware that it is not dangerous and the procedure can be stopped by you at any time - you are never without control. Many of our members have been at an RA's receiving end and I do believe that none of them ever felt that it caused a problem to their privacy at all.

BTW.... does anyone have any ideas as to why my CD's don't want to play and burn on this laptop? I explained what's happening above. Any help would be great.
It sounds as if it may be a burning software issue. I have the feeling that when you burn a CD in your HP, you are not 'finishing/closing' it, which means that in theory you can still burn more files to that CD. I am guessing that you are using different programs in your computers, right? Therefore, in order for the laptop to be able to 'read' the CD you have created in the HP, you can not leave the CD "open", but fully finish the burning process.
It is also possible that the software is the cause for you not being able to burn a successful CD. If you tell us which software you are using, we may be able to offer a few more detailed suggestions. Mike is especially experienced in that 'field' and would more likely than not be able to give you step by step instructions.

If the software can't be 'blamed', then it may be the CD drive itself, the hardware that is not working as it should.

Please give us the details and keep us posted. :)


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Posted 25 February 2010 - 10:23 PM

I'm not sure which CD burning software this laptop has. Is there a way to find out on this computer?

When I burn on the HP it finishes because it goes through the burning process then ejects itself. The CD's I burn will play on my home stereo or portable CD player (walkman) just not the laptop nor will my laptop even burn at all when I try. :nowhat:

One of the things I am having a problem with in Vista is the search feature. For instance when I type pspbrwse.jbf to clean out my PSP Browser nothing comes up and I KNOW the files are there. When I do this on my HP with XP it comes up each time.

Another thing is why can't you just move files in Vista like you can in XP? When I want to move something I've downloaded I have to copy and paste whatever it is to where I want it. XP just lets you move them without copying and pasting. Now I have to delete everything I've copy and pasted to prevent duplicate files and it just seems to be an extra un-needed step. Am I doing something wrong there?



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Posted 25 February 2010 - 10:28 PM

Another thing, with Vista some of my downloads looks like a little piece of paper with the corner folded down and Vista wont open them. Do you know why this is so?

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Posted 25 February 2010 - 11:26 PM

Kimmie, we would need to know what the extensions are on the files with piece of paper to know what program opens them.

If I remember right, Vista has the explorer tree on the left side like Win 7 does. I just drag the file I want to move over the folder I want it on the tree. You can also open to folders and drag one to the other.

I am not sure about the pspbrwse. Does not come up in Win 7 either. Why do they need to be deleted? They just come back as soon as you delete them.


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Posted 26 February 2010 - 07:36 PM

I know PSP puts a lot of PSP Browser files throughout my files in my computer. I see them everywhere and each one of them takes up memory so it's just a way to "clean them out". I have my PSP set not to do this but for some odd reason it does it anyway. I could clean them up in XP but not Vista.

I didn't even think about the drop and drag. I'll give it a try tonight. That would be great as long as I still don't have to delete the files that I'm dropping because there always seems to be duplicates everywhere in my files. That's because I just can't move files. I've had to copy and paste so I'll give the drag and drop a try and see if it works for me.

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 09:18 PM

Kimmie, I do believe that the concern about those browser files for PSP still stems from back when hard drives were much smaller, memory 'hard to come by' and processors stretched to their limits when working with editing programs.
You laptop may not be up to par for Vista requirements, but it sure is nicely decked out for XP and therefore I am sure it has enough power to deal with those browser files.
Each one of those is of a different size...from zero over a few hundred kbs to somewhat above 1 meg...at least those I could find in my system, which were not too many, maybe 15 or so. I have not used PSP lately and it is possible that one of the cleaning programs I use ever so often will delete those temporary files. I don't know how many of them you come across in your XP, but, let's say you have a hundred at 1 meg each making it 100 meg, which is really nothing in harddrives with 120 gig and over. Even 1000 of those files, adding up to 1 gig should not cause any issues whatsoever.


The way I understand those type of files they are sort of 'links' to the place you have PSP used with, such as pictures, add-ons, programs and so on. I don't believe they multiply within them, so once you have deleted on and have associated PSP with that location again, the little file is right back where it was.
Picasa does the same thing, so do many programs that integrate with certain folders and files. I don't see much wrong with it, but that is my personal viewpoint.

I do not understand why you would not be able to find those files, by the way. I copied and pasted the
pspbrwse.jbf directly into the search, (click on the Start button and right there on the bottom), and it listed all those that I mentioned before, allowing me to delete them if I wished to do so. I could not imagine why this would not work in your system as well, unless you have already delete them using a cleaning program, and maybe not realized it?

Oh, and those files, for example, with the jbf extension, are having little icons with a bent corner, which means they don't have a particular program to open up with. The same would be true for any other files that have no program icon association; either they have not found 'their' program yet, or else it is not installed.


Also, I have never used the 'move to' option because I don't have the patience for it. If I have a bunch of files/folders that need to be moved from one location to another particular one, I simply open the two folders side by side and drag and drop them over in batches. Otherwise, yes, I use the explorer tree, which - again - allows me to move files quickly to other locations, without having to do so one at a time. Give it at try and let us know if it works for you? Thanks. :)




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Posted 03 April 2010 - 01:48 PM

If Kimmie does't like Vista, she's not going to be happy with Windows 7 either.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 11:21 AM

View PostRoss, on 03 April 2010 - 01:48 PM, said:

If Kimmie does't like Vista, she's not going to be happy with Windows 7 either.



You got that right...............I sure wish whoever makes these operating systems would leave well enough alone.........when something works stick with it.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 11:32 AM

Personally I can not see going back to windows 98. Love my windows 7.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 03:16 PM

Not 98 but Xp was great and easy to understand .............

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 10:54 AM

The problem is - well enough yesterday is not well enough today. Meaning, older OS can not be set to the latest security standard needed today anymore. They can not handle new hardware that is being developed constantly. They can not deal with new software that is needed to use the new hardware either.
It's like saying the old Ford Model T was great - why not stick with it? Well, it worked well then with the requirements of the day, but it would not be able to fill the needs of today anymore.

We want the Operating System to be able to run the computers we are buying. Manufacturers of computer hardware will not keep on manufacturing outdated parts, would make no sense in any way, and therefore one needs newer OS run the newer computers. And its not like Windows 7 is not related to XP anymore - it is. But in order for it to be able to comply with the higher demands for just about anything that pertains to the functions of a computer, there have to be some visual and location changes.

The fact is that Windows 7 is the best OS Microsoft has produced ever and therefore the best on the market at this point in time. XP is second. That it may be difficult for some to adjust to Windows 7 is understandable. Just like there have been - and still are - users who loved windows 98 and would have like to stay with it forever. But, just like Windows 98 was unable to deal, run, comply with the requirements of advancing technology, so Windows XP has outlived it's time of doing so as well. XP has been stretched to it's limits and beyond. It can not be fully secured anymore and it certainly can not deal with lots of new software either.

All in all - computers as such, including hardware and software, change just as everything else around us does with time... if we like it or not. :)

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 01:14 PM

In my opinion, all versions of Windows are the same. Maybe prettier in places and things moved around from where you normally used to them, but it's still the same old Windows.

Danielas right. If they didn't keep creating newer and better systems, the technology world would never grow. If you only knew what the folks at AMD and Intel are doing today, you'd flip! Some of you have 64 bit platforms. They are now working on 128. Can you imagine what that operating system will have to do?

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 05:43 PM

Well, certainly they are working on the 128 bit systems. And, the names for the next processors to be released to the public and what they can do have already been posted for the public...those are the ones that are in or about to be in production, not in creation and testing.
Again, it's the same as with any other techno related product that gets updated, upgraded, re-vamped, re-invented...there is the version released and available just about anywhere; there are the versions finished and ready to be released within a certain time-span, about a year or so; there are the versions that need to fine-tuned and up for release within another year or two; there are the versions that are being worked on on paper, then released to production and testing on a continuous basis.

By default this has to be the way, there is no other in order to keep on having new products ready for the market - namely available for the consumer. As I have mentioned, and Ross says as well - most products are not completely new entities but build on former ones, changed to the new requirements with portions dropped that are either out-dated or were not a good idea to begin with, and only very seldom will a product be completely invented from scratch. Evolution is not just part of nature, which includes us as well, but also of anything related to so called technology. :)

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 05:02 PM

...And one day, the machines will take over and destroy mankind because they are smart and we are stupid.

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